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Post by outlaw on Dec 7, 2013 12:12:49 GMT -5
In a Cowboy or Texas Defender with a 3 inch barrel would 410 2 1/2 inch shells #6 shot be ok for snakes or SD
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Post by erich on Dec 10, 2013 18:22:56 GMT -5
I personally would not use that for SD, but I can't speak as to how it would work on snakes.
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Post by outlaw on Dec 11, 2013 14:15:37 GMT -5
I personally would not use that for SD, but I can't speak as to how it would work on snakes. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using proboards What is the smallest size shot you would use for SD before getting into the double or triple 0 buck |
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Post by erich on Dec 12, 2013 16:16:35 GMT -5
Honestly? Out of a .410 with a microscopic barrel? I would hesitate even going to those.
In working on more than a couple hundred handgun shooting cases, I've seen that the two things that seem to be necessary to guarantee a stop to aggression are 1) shot placement and 2) adequate penetration. Based on the chrono data and pellet weight I've seen from these short-barreled .410s, I'd be profoundly concerned that - even if the shot placement were good - the pellets would not penetrate enough to get to the targeted vitals.
Now, every shooting is different - some people stop sometimes regardless of how they're hit. But I feel like my defensive rounds should be such that I'm certain I can target them successfully into the brain/spinal column (very rarely hit)/heart/aorta of an attacker.
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Post by outlaw on Dec 13, 2013 8:46:36 GMT -5
Thanks Eric the reason I was asking is I am planning to get a 4 1/4 barrel and was undesided as to on what to get a 410/45 or 357 mag I think I am going with the 357 mag
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Post by erich on Dec 13, 2013 10:58:21 GMT -5
I would think you're better off with the .357 for self-defense from a 4.25" barrel - and you can still use the CCI shot capsules for snakes, if you'd like.
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Post by outlaw on Dec 13, 2013 17:01:17 GMT -5
I think you are right I wish they made the 4.25 in 45 acp
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Post by erich on Dec 14, 2013 20:45:58 GMT -5
Man, that .45 ACP 3" tube is hell on wheels.
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Post by outlaw on Dec 15, 2013 10:17:11 GMT -5
Yes it sure is I have the 45acp 3"barrel and love it
and if they ever offer the 4.25 barrel in 45 acp I will order one in a heart beat. A friend of mine has a ruger vaquero with a 3.75 barrel and he killed a black bear with it this fall it was a head shot and it only took one shot to put the bear down. I am not sure if he was using a hot reload or factory ammo but what ever it was it sure did the job. |
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Post by erich on Dec 15, 2013 18:34:38 GMT -5
I've got one of those .45 ACP birdshead New Vaqueros with the short tube - great gun.  I frequently carry it while hiking up Bear Canyon behind my house.   |
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Post by outlaw on Dec 15, 2013 19:10:56 GMT -5
That is a beautiful gun I love the Birdshead models I also have a ruger Vaquero 45acp and a Heritage 22 mag  |
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Post by erich on Dec 16, 2013 11:51:45 GMT -5
I like the stocks on your Ruger - I've been really wanting to have Bill Peterson make me up a set of elk stags for mine, but his rates have gone through the roof since I last ordered from him, and I'll have to mull it over for a while first. The Ruger birdshead grip frame really suits my hand. I had a Cimarron/Uberti dual cylinder .45 Colt/ACP, but eventually traded it off because I didn't want to only carry five rounds and because its previous owner had tricked-out the trigger so as to make it dangerously light.  |
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Post by outlaw on Dec 17, 2013 9:39:01 GMT -5
Thanks Eric I am not real happy with the grips on my Ruger I thought they would be darker than they are.
I would love a set of the stag grips also but the are so expensive anymore if you run across any on-line that are a reasonable price let me know.
That is really a good picture of your Cimarron.
I like the shape of the Cimirron grips better than I do the Ruger and I do hope to own me a Cimarron before long
I amlost bought one this past summer but it was a 357 mag and I am holding out for a 45 LC or acp.
That sure is a mean looking knife pictured with you gun did you make that yourself ?
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Post by erich on Dec 17, 2013 16:35:12 GMT -5
Thanks, that's a Matt Lesniewski knife. He has great stuff, complete with stag scales for a whole lot less than just a pair of Ruger elk stag stocks, too. www.mlknives.com/ |
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Post by outlaw on Dec 18, 2013 12:31:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the URL his prices are not bad at all
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I frequently carry it while hiking up Bear Canyon behind my house. 